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17 Responses to “How about some more Rags Morales’ sketches from FIRST WAVE?”

1. Astro says on November 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pm :
   

   I thought Black Canary was going to be…well, Black. That said, this works for me too, and these sketches are great.

   I am getting more and more excited about this thing.

2. zombieted says on November 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pm :
   

   Well, this is getting interesting. I wish it was contained to one book… at least at the start.

3. Links and Updates! « JSA Round Table says on November 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm :
   

   [...] Source shows off Rags Morales and Brian Azzarello’s First Wave take on Black Canary and [...]

4. Stage3evolution says on November 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm :
   

   Once again, things continue to keep me interested

5. meisterlegion says on November 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm :
   

   I agree - an 80-page Giant so that we can sample all these characters first would be terrific.

   I was put-off by the Red-Circle characters at first, with all their different books…if they are all in one BIG SPECIAL I’d be more inclined to drop $5.99 (like with the Halloween Special) than paying for each book.

6. droolingfanboy says on November 9th, 2009 at 5:53 pm :
   

   The Avenger appears to be a little more vicious then what I’m used to, but still works. Black Canary looks great, I like the twist on her back story and making her a teenager. (Why is it I can accept the changes in the DC characters easier than the Pulp characters?) Still looking forward to it, hope it isn’t screwed up too much.

7. bubblegumpunk says on November 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pm :
   

   Being an Indian myself, I hope that when they say Indian, they mean, you know, from India, and not Native American.

   And if that’s the case…gah. There are so many better Indian names out there.

   Like Dina Dutt or Divya Deol.

8. siryn says on November 9th, 2009 at 6:03 pm :
   

   “I thought Black Canary was going to be…well, Black. That said, this works for me too, and these sketches are great.

   I am getting more and more excited about this thing.”

   She could still be black. If you look at his IC and JLA work, Rags doesn’t exactly draw the best black characters.

   And it still makes sense from an immigrant angle, as a lot of cites in the East Coast (and even here in Chicago) get a lot of immigrants from Jamaica and the West Indies and such.

9. spookysage says on November 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm :
   

   Heh, I’m the same way. Dinah Drake with a new ethnicity? Sure, could be fun. Ebony White as a “brash girl” (brash, of course, meaning sassy)? W-why would you do that?

10. siryn says on November 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am :
    

    LOL, as long as she’s not driving the Spirit’s taxi.

    And I don’t think the picture shown denotes that she won’t be black. There are tons of immigrants from places like Haiti and the West Indies.

11. emb021 says on November 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm :
    

    Sigh. Did you guys not do any research on these characters, or are you just making it up as you go along???

    The Avenger is in his 30s. His headquarters is off Bleek Street, not Time Square. He doesn’t carry a luger, but Mike and Ike, his special gun and knife. He never killed!

    The Spirit was NEVER a cop. He was a criminologist (look it up).

    Am liking this “First Wave” series less and less.

12. therewasme says on November 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pm :
    

    http://www.racialicious.com/2009/11/10/race-comic-books-rima-the-jungle-girl/

13. melfice says on November 10th, 2009 at 11:43 pm :
    

    Emb021, First Wave takes place in a brand new universe with a fresh start. So, these chars will not be the same has their counterparts.

    That is the whole point of making a new DCU

14. melfice says on November 10th, 2009 at 11:47 pm :
    

    The Spirit chronicles the adventures of a masked vigilante who fights crime with the blessing of the city’s police commissioner Dolan, an old friend. Despite the Spirit’s origin as a detective named Denny Colt.

    A detective can be an ex-cop. But, it does not matter because this is a new version of the classic char. Not everything will be the same in the new DCU of First Wave. Hell, Batman uses guns and that is different, no?

15. Comic book update « Mognet Central says on November 11th, 2009 at 5:15 am :
    

    [...] | Leave a Comment Here you can check some pages of the Batman/Doc Savage special (out today), and here some sketches of the First Wave characters, including teen Black [...]

16. emb021 says on November 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm :
    

    @melfice.

    If you’re not going to be true to these classic characters, a better “fresh start” would be just to create totally new ones.

    These characters are classic because they were well done. Eisner’s work on the Spirit are classics. Lester Dent’s Doc Savage and Paul Ernst’s Avenger are classic. With Doc & the Avenger we have really had few good comic book interpretations of these characters. I’d rather the “First Wave” be good interpretations of these characters then some lousy “fresh start” of them that are just cr*ppy pomo revamps.

    Personally think Brubaker did a better pulp-influenced series in “Incognito” then what I am seeing here.

17. emb021 says on November 13th, 2009 at 11:22 am :
    

    Its comments like this by Brian Azzarello that shows that DC made a poor choice in him:

    “Those 10 guys in their seventies are going to be the guys who get pissed off. ‘He obviously doesn’t understand Doc Savage. That’s not my Doc Savage.’ That’s exactly what I want them to say.”

    Let me go on record as saying that Azzarello is an ass.

    If you want to create a Doc Savage pastiche, go ahead. Just please don’t call him “Doc Savage”. Brubaker called his “Doc Zeppelin”, Warren Ellis has “Doc Brass”, Michael Black has “Doc Atlas”, etc.

    There are a LOT of Doc Savage fans. And we aren’t all guys or in our 70s. Many of us became fans after reading the Bantam paperbacks. We are the people buying Sanctum Book’s new Doc Savage reprints. Going to the Doc Con (over a dozen), reading Doc fanzines like “The Bronze Gazette” (#56 just came out this week) or “The Zine of Bronze” (#6 came out recently), going to the various other Pulp cons like Pulpfest, Windy City Pulp & Paper Convention, etc etc.

    These characters (Doc, The Avenger, The Spider, The Shadow, etc) are ALL still popular. Otherwise publishers wouldn’t still be using them for reprints or new works. But those who want to create NEW stories with these characters understand the need to be TRUE to the originals, as seen in works like Moonstone’s “Chronicles” of The Avenger and The Spider, and the various new hero pulps using public domain characters like Secret Agent X, Green Lama, Super Jim Anthony, etc.

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