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2. vinniebartilucci says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pm :
   

   And they say that a mob can’t do anything positive for society.

   Pictures of best postcards are required forthwith. I’ll post mine if I can find the scan I made.

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4. carolstrick says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm :
   

   Whew! I can take the postcard info off my website now. Looking forward to this! (And curious about the new “Bold New Direction” for Wondie.)

5. meisterlegion says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm :
   

   As a collector, I was a little disgruntled by this. But, Wonder Woman really deserves it, and it’s good to see Didio come through on his word; in spite of all the opposition.

   Nice to see there are a lot of WW fans out there too.

6. JL4GL says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pm :
   

   Great artwork of WW by Mr. Perez — can’t wait for #600

7. querldox says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pm :
   

   2.9% of the current readership wanted this, if that. I bet cards were sent by people who don’t even read the book just because its ‘wonder woman’(which means nothing)

8. meisterlegion says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pm :
   

   …just for those wondering:
   1st series: Wonder Woman (1942) #1 - #329
   2nd series: Wonder Woman (1987) #1 - #226 [Plus issue #0 & #1000000]
   3rd series: Wonder Woman (2006) #1 - present (#37)

   We are @ 594-issues at the end of 2009.

9. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 12:52 pm :
   

   Color me dissappointed. This whole movement is rather silly and does nothing that affects the quality of the comic book. High issue numbers count for nothing. Why not just call it Wonder Woman # 1000? or 2000? It’s completely arbitrary. This is a pointless and confusing move.

10. Wonder Woman to mark milestone 600th issue (surprise?) | Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources – Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment says on December 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pm :
    

    [...] announcement that should surprise no one, DC Comics Executive Editor Dan DiDio confirmed this morning that Wonder Woman will return to its original numbering next [...]

11. jorel1983 says on December 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm :
    

    Is it me or are comic book fans becoming nothing but a bunch of whiny bitches? Yes fans got together and sent in 600 cards after didio challenged them and I think its pretty cool Wonder Woman will get a prestige treatment and if they market it right then the world will see how great and wonderful wonder woman really is.

    Brian L the movement wasn’t silly it made people feel apart of the editorial and marketing proccess get over yourself.

    how do u know 2.9% or less than wanted this? did u take a survey of the entire DCU fan base? or even the entire WW fan base? if so I don’t remember being polled. So before you speak for everyone get your facts str8 and speak for yourself.

12. scarecroe says on December 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm :
    

    YES!! Go Diana!

13. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pm :
    

    jorel, comic book fans have ALWAYS been whiny, it’s nothing new.

    In fact, it was the whiners who started this movement. Personally, I agreed with Dan Didio when he wrote the column that challenged this notion. He stated that a high issue number does nothing to affect the quality of the book, and that the stories should speak for themselves. That’s why I think the desire some fans have to see a higher number on the cover is indeed silly. Personally, I don’t see the point in pretending that WW hasn’t been canceled and restarted in the past. It has, so I might ask those who don’t like it to “get over themselves” as well. Why live in the past?

    I don’t see HOW WW can have an issue 600 without having had #330 - 599.

14. Websnap says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:08 pm :
    

    Real “Fans” buy the monthlies, regardless if they dig the current arc or not. 26,972 bought the October issue, so that is a good starting point for WW fans with a voice to be heard on the subject (I’m one of them).

    712 cards got sent in by the deadline. Meaning that, presumably, 712 unique people found this important enough to not only send in a postcard, but get it in on time. That would be a little over 19%. That’s how many people thought this was important enough to lick a stamp.

    Kudo’s to Dan for listening to the rabid minority. Personally, I didn’t care. Numbers don’t indicate quality. Look at GL, prime example.

15. Websnap says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:10 pm :
    

    BTW, did WW ingest some Joker toxin in that photo?

    Yesh…

16. CBalanecki says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:11 pm :
    

    Wonder Woman has been around consistently for nearly 70 years, and is one of DC’s most important characters. Just because she hasn’t had issues 330 to 599 numerically, she has still had nearly 600 issues published. The two cancellations were, for the most part, just to garner interest in a new #1 issue. There were no reasons to cancel them beyond that.

    I think they should do the same for the Flash and Green Lantern, seeing as they’re supposedly important too. When they started Barry Allen’s title, they continued the numbering from Jay’s.

    Though it is “just a number” it also shows a character’s history, and how long they have been around. It honors that longevity.

    Anyone who won’t get into a book because of a high issue number maybe should think twice about why they’re reading comics. There are not too many people around that have read Superman/Action or Batman/detective from issue 1, and those titles seem to be doing okay.

17. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:18 pm :
    

    She has had MORE than 600 issues published I’m sure, what with all the mini-series, one-sots, specials, and what not. Oh, wait, none of that stuff counts. My point is that it’s NOT a high number on the cover of a book that honor’s the character’s histore, but the stories themselves. Artificially inflating the count serves nothing but some fan’s egos.

    I would be totally cool if they wanted to pick up her old series at # 330. At least it’s honest (if not pointless).

18. meisterlegion says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pm :
    

    well said CBalanecki…

19. dannyc says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm :
    

    Websnap, your math is a little off. 19% of 26972 is 5124.

    712 is actually 2.64% of 26972. So less than 3% of current readers sent in post cards.

20. CBalanecki says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pm :
    

    But how is the count artificially inflated? I would say it has been artificially kept low.

    And how is it an ego thing? Honoring a character’s publishing history by showing exactly how long the character has been published, “reboots” and all…

    Some characters (and teams) should start at #1 again, but the “Big 5″ have been published almost continuously since before most of us were born, but only two of those characters get the honor of showing that history.

21. DC – Wonder Woman Officially Reaches 600. « Team Hellions says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm :
    

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22. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm :
    

    That’s because TWO of those characters never needed a relaunch to keep their core books going. Hey, DETECTIVE COMICS is actually older than ACTION COMICS, yet Action has a higher number (because Action went weekly for a while). Should we honor ‘Tec more by bumping it up to be the appropriate number of issues higher than Action?

    Look, it doens’t really matter wheter or not WW or others deserved to be restarted at #1. The fact is that it did happen. These may indeed be sins of the past, but pretending like it didn’t happen is just silly. The fact that people place so much emphasis on an inconsequential little number on the cover is what baffles me. Everyone knows WW has been around for 70 years. Who cares if her book is at 34 or 3400? It’s not some kind of honor, it’s just a way of denoting publication order.

    Renumbering in this manner makes things MORE confusing and conviluted than they need to be. What about the next time they want to do a NEW Number 1? Then they’ll renumber YET AGAIN to include everything. Suddenly, DC is just like another company who can’t keep their numbers straight. I’d rather not see that happen.

    Let’s honor WW by telling great stories about her. Thankfully, Gail is taking care of that nicely.

23. falseface says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm :
    

    I’m glad to hear about this. The numbers don’t mean anything on the cover but like someone above mentioned if it’s marketed right this could get more into checking out Wonder Woman. I got on shortly after DC Universe #0 where the idea of “maybe it’s a job for men” seemed like a great read and I’ve yet to be disappointed by a single issue. My greatest hope is for this to attract more readers to the title.

24. thecoyotegospel says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm :
    

    Well, as an avid comic reader for over a decade and someone who dropped WW partway through Simone’s run because of complete disinterest, I think it will take much more than this to get the character out there. I just don’t think that DC knows what kind of stories to tell with Diana to make her an effective character.

    As for the higher issue number turning off new readers, I think that is absolutely a valid point for NEW readers. Comic fans know that teams rotate and that VERY few people have read hundreds of issues of X-Men, Action Comics, or any other title. Outsiders are absolutely daunted by seeing such a big number because they don’t always have the same knowledge.

    I don’t care if the number is artificially inflated, deflated, or spelled in roman numerals. I care about the content. For me, a phoned-in Perez cover with a stock photo background and a flashy number doesn’t change that. If reviews start touting a revived story and style, I’ll return, but until then, WW remains one of the few books I don’t read.

25. CBalanecki says on December 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm :
    

    So, if it’s just a number why is it a problem?

    As for Batman and Superman, there were a few times in their publishing history where they were almost canceled, but they got lucky…

    Don’t get me wrong - I totally see your point on this. The “collector” in me has to figure out how to add this to my Excel file. But the comic lover in me, seeing how many years WW has been around, and how often she has been dismissed as a character, sees this as an honor to her character.

    And she has been continually published as long as Batman and Superman (which is why she is one of the big three). Her first renumbering was because of the original Crisis. They didn’t restart Batman and Superman (well, they did rename it to Adventures Of..) after that, but they did for her. Both those characters were “reboots” as well (though, I’ll admit, Batman was a bit “softer” a reboot).

    The second renumbering was purely for sales. Her series was doing just fine.

26. querldox says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pm :
    

    ‘how do u know 2.9% or less than wanted this? did u take a survey of the entire DCU fan base? or even the entire WW fan base? if so I don’t remember being polled. So before you speak for everyone get your facts str8 and speak for yourself.’

    I rounded the number of postcards up to 800 divided it by the approx number of readers last issue got, according to sales estimates we have around 28,000 and multiplied it by 100 to get a percentage of 2.9%. Notice I did say current readers. I don’t understand why non readers should care.

27. fukbot says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm :
    

    Disappointing news. From a collector’s standpoint, this is a nightmare. Publication order is everything here. Now Wonder Woman Vol. 3 will go from #44 to #600. Will Vol. 2 # 1 be referred to Vol. 2 #1 (330) now? In this instance a BAM! cloud with “Wonder Woman’s 600th issue!!!” would have sufficed. Coincidentally, #3 of Geoff Johns’ new Flash monthly will be Flash’s 600th issue and GL Vol.4 # 57 will be his 500th. Will these be re-numbered? DAN, DON’T YOU DARE!!! Honor WW (Flash and GL too) buy buying the book, not by screwing with the numbering. Y’all should’ve spoken up back in ‘86 when they cancelled Vol.1 or before they started Vol.2. Now I have to deal with an improperly numbered comic book. Life sux.

28. CBalanecki says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm :
    

    One other thing that has always bugged me - why do we always have to cater specifically to “new readers”? Have we not all been “new readers”? Why did we stick around? Obviously, a 70 year publishing history and hundreds of characters didn’t hold us back.

    I started reading when I was 4 (well, to be honest, I remember looking at them when I was that age), and because of my Mom’s collection, I wanted to know more about these characters. The 60’s Aquaman-Superman-Batman shows, and Super Friends helped keep that interest, and when I started getting my own money, I stared buying.

    But I loved it and still do. That’s what’s keeping me here - bad art or writing aside, I care about the DC Universe and it’s thousands of characters (even the “crappy” ones). To me “Who’s Who” was probably the best thing I could have read - it clarified a lot for me.

    I assume most readers have similar stories. You start somewhere, and fill it in as you go along. Just like in real life…

    That’s why I don’t really like rebooting just for having a new #1. If you really love this, it doesn’t matter.

    And I do understand that can be turned around to mean that it doesn’t matter what the issue number is, but for me it comes down to history. Issue number 600 suggests a lot more longevity that issue 45.

29. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:09 pm :
    

    Hey, I don’t really care about the number. I’ll be buying hte book. I don’t know why, but I just find the whole thing REALLY annoying, and a bit like something a certain other major comic publisher would do. I don’t want DC going down that road.

    Bats and Supes may have gotten lucky, but them’s the breaks. Wonder Woman was not published for about one year in 1986 as they prepared her reboot. They did publish a mini-series during that time, but why is that not counted? This is why I’m against it in principal, and I know it’s just going to get worse from here on.

    This is a short-sighted move and it feels like an appeasement, especially when we were never given a chance to rebut the move. Why not just celebrate issue 50 and other pertinent milestones? For me, it honors her just as well.

30. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:11 pm :
    

    BY THE WAY: I’m not on this whole new readers thing. I would postualte that an issue 34 is JUST as daunting to a potential new fan as issue 734. It’s either going to turn someone off or it’s not. That is NOT why I am against the change.

31. CBalanecki says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:24 pm :
    

    Thanks Brian

    We have the same argument, just on the opposite side of how a comic should be numbered…

    I still think the Big 5 should have higher issue numbers, but that’s it. Justice League, Titans, and the Legion have had a lot of different versions, and other characters haven’t continually sustained books (well, neither has Green Lantern in the 70s and some of the 80s, but the numbering still kept consistent).

    Maybe I’m just old

32. headrush71 says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm :
    

    Always happy to see Perez back on WW. All these announcements coming out for 2010, I hope one of them is a new Who’s Who series. It’s DC’s 75th anniversary and the Secret Files don’t really cut it. The DC Encyclopedia is alright but has way too many mistakes and an awkward size. The Batman Essential Encyclopedia was awesome info-wise but lacking in the art department (that having been said, I still can’t wait for the Wonder Woman edition). So is a new Who’s Who too much to ask for?

33. Brian L says on December 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm :
    

    Yeah, and I really don’t know why this irritates me as much as it does. It just rubs me the wrong way. I’m an old-timer too, and my collection goes way back. I just accepted relaunches as par for the course a long time ago.

34. Tuesday brings TWO huge DC Announcements! - Ideology of Madness says on December 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm :
    

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35. jorel1983 says on December 8th, 2009 at 7:22 pm :
    

    I am all for numbering WW into 600 but should go back to the normal numbering after. Hell look at Adventure comics every issue has a watermark of the continuing 500+ numbers. Like cbalanecki said the history of these characters thats why we read. Its a universe with a multiverse and thousands of characters and endless spinoffs and still we read.

    yes brian the numbers don’t matter but at the same time they do. The history of WW means a lot to the DCU why they think that low numbers brings in new readers is beyond me if that was the case i would have never picked up a superman issue with all of them at the time real high in the numbers column (don’t ask lol it was the time superman died) but i picked it up and loved it same with all the books. as i got older i started to appreciate the history these high numbers held and to see WW do that it makes me happy.

    DC is going to be 75 years old next year and to say that means nothing but to keep telling stories about the here and now pays great disrecpect to every writer artists editor and copy boy that has ever worked for this company and that I can’t stand for. So here is hoping DC does a huge celebration all year and show how the company has grown and evolved over the past 75 years

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37. nw316 says on December 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm :
    

    With the exception of Batman, Superman, X-Men and Spider-Man its a fairly established fact that the higher the issue number gets of a series, the harder it gets to bring in new readers to a series, and the lower the sales get (actually its fairly true even with those 4 properties). Wonder Woman right now is only the 5th best selling female character DC has, despite the fact her writer may be the best DC has not named “Johns” and her top of the line artist (even though he insists on giving WW god awful granny panties). Now with her much higher issue number and no more possibility of using a new Issue #1 to boost sales without looking hypocritical it’ll be interesting to see what DC comes up with to keep her sales from falling even further. As a WW collector since 1978, I hope they’ve planned for the long term and not just Issue 600 and then hoping for the best after that.

38. zumi says on December 8th, 2009 at 10:45 pm :
    

    I can’t believe there are honestly people complaining about this. It’s awesome. WW #600 FTW!

39. kosmiczombie says on December 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm :
    

    I agree with zumi. This is great news! WW deserves a #600 and beyond. DC’s making some cool announcements this week, and all I’ve seen is complaining. I have problems with some of DC’s actions, but this is something that needs to happen. If you hate it so much, then spend your money on another title.

40. Blake Petit says on December 9th, 2009 at 12:11 am :
    

    How did I just now realize the lasso makes a “600″ on the cover?

    I didn’t send in a postcard, because it didn’t really matter to me one way or another, but I am happy to hear that the fans’ voices are heard. I’m looking forward to this.

41. NICE! Wonder Woman Gets Her #600 « 1979 Semi-Finalist… says on December 9th, 2009 at 12:19 am :
    

    [...] more than met the 600 required postcards by the October 31st deadline and today Dan Didio honored his promise and announced that in the new year Wonder Woman will get renumbered to #600 moving forward.  Nice [...]

42. thedanofsteel says on December 9th, 2009 at 12:47 am :
    

    I voted and I’m glad it’s happening. Thanks DC for inviting the readers to take part I say - not only did the postcard idea draw a bit of coverage it helped give a portion of the WW fan community something to get involved in that actually reflected on such an iconic character.

    And yeah took me a few glances to see the 600 in the lasso too lol.

43. “Wonder Woman” joins the 600 Club | gaijINside says on December 9th, 2009 at 4:02 am :
    

    [...] DC Comics has officially announced that Wonder Woman will move to it’s full numbering with issue #600 in June 2010. Iconic artist George Perez will supply the cover art. [...]

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46. meisterlegion says on December 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am :
    

    For all you people that didn’t see the “600″ in the lasso…here’s another tip:

    There is an American Express commercial airing right now showing random objects - they are making either ’sad faces’ or ‘happy faces’ - next time the commercial comes on look for the: eyes, nose, & mouth in the objects.

47. scarecroe says on December 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm :
    

    No artificial inflation is taking place. This is the opposite. The numbers are being restored to where they should have been kept throughout the years like Superman and Batman.

48. ljacone says on December 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pm :
    

    Glad to see this going down. Wonder Woman is a titan in the realm of superheroics, and it makes me happy to see her title back with it’s “original” numbering.

49. John Duncan Yoyo says on December 10th, 2009 at 2:59 am :
    

    Now all they need to do is restore Adventure Comics back to it’s proper value. I get the alternate covers with it as 508 but they really need to be proud of that number. Perhaps when it becomes a Legion book.

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